tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7902332526058821592.post6180789213202092512..comments2023-07-19T04:26:33.427-07:00Comments on letlovebesincere: Archbishop Vigneron is right...Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7902332526058821592.post-65923316851897377962013-04-11T06:16:38.029-07:002013-04-11T06:16:38.029-07:00I keep thinking about this post, and just want to ...I keep thinking about this post, and just want to add two things:<br /><br />1) If a Priest discreetly says to the communicant in question "See me after Mass" instead of giving him/her the Eucharist, I think it is a gentle way of discussing with that person the state of their soul, offering Confession if needed, and then giving them Jesus if it's possible. Maybe the person doesn't even realize they shouldn't be receiving and it's a way to let them know.<br /><br />2) A reason that the Eucharist is "taken away" from those who are not in agreement is to get them to want to get their soul back in the state of grace to be able to receive it. It's not a punishment. If we all realize that we are receiving JESUS and someone denies us that privilege, then I hope we would do anything to get Him back.Colleenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11451797365712728579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7902332526058821592.post-463149458482700402013-04-10T15:08:26.100-07:002013-04-10T15:08:26.100-07:00Mary, I agree with you it is SUCH a tricky thing t...Mary, I agree with you it is SUCH a tricky thing to judge the state of a person's soul when receiving communion. I know sometimes its tricky for me, because on places like Catholic Radio, you hear much more of folks saying polticans should be denied communion, but then I think to myself, "Is that really loving? Isn't that judging them?" Its tricky, and this makes me think and reflect, so thank yee lady! :)Pattyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05900413545108321127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7902332526058821592.post-27448679762121717212013-04-10T09:11:43.746-07:002013-04-10T09:11:43.746-07:00yeah, I am not opposed to an exploration of that, ...yeah, I am not opposed to an exploration of that, it is just a REALLY tricky area you know?Mary Wilkersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08895931413075965922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7902332526058821592.post-34866522488838255482013-04-10T08:27:54.092-07:002013-04-10T08:27:54.092-07:00Absolutely! I love that the Archbishop and Profess...Absolutely! I love that the Archbishop and Professor were speaking to those who PRESENT themselves for Communion rather than to the Priests and Deacons (and lay ministers) who distribute the Eucharist. Your point (in an above comment) about how it is most appropriate for an Archbishop to reach out privately to a dissident Catholic politician really resonates with me. We are instructed in Acts to go privately to our brother and exhort him; contrast this to the Pharisees who brought the adulterous woman to Jesus in front of the crowd. One way invites relationship. The other way invites power and control. Jesus made it clear which way He preferred.Tiennehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13315891571577431883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7902332526058821592.post-59655768711601899172013-04-10T08:26:29.857-07:002013-04-10T08:26:29.857-07:00I agree with you, Mary. But, I do think there has...I agree with you, Mary. But, I do think there has to be a way to handle this situation better. Just passively giving communion to public officials who are in opposition to church teachings is not a good idea as is refusing them communion. I think there must be catechesis and disscussion first. I do think we need steps in place for the possibility of denying someone the Eucharist, but I do not think this should be done by an Extraordinary minister or even the priest "in the moment".Katiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11571439982499787798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7902332526058821592.post-85739931464616134402013-04-10T08:17:56.831-07:002013-04-10T08:17:56.831-07:00Can I say "Amen!" to this post?
People ...Can I say "Amen!" to this post?<br /><br />People often complain that the Church isn't giving us real teachings on how to live our faith. Well, boom, he just did that, and now people are mad. I always like to think of Catholicism as the parents and us as the children. We might not always like what our parents ask us to do, but they are asking us to do what is best for ourselves.<br /><br />Also,<br />I'm reading a Matthew Kelly book right now where he says a little about the difference between disengaged and non-believing Catholics vs. those who are truly immersed: the first group finds a problem and says, "I disagree with my faith. It needs to get with the times." The second group says, " I don't understand this. I need to get more information."Jenna@CallHerHappyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05587606918705423050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7902332526058821592.post-79595798577200519482013-04-10T07:17:00.600-07:002013-04-10T07:17:00.600-07:00Yeah, B, I guess that's more along the lines o...Yeah, B, I guess that's more along the lines of how I feel. In our state, our ex Gov. Jennifer Granholm was a Catholic that didn't really like or believe what the Catholic Church taught. I would have NO problem with her parish priest calling her and saying, 'Ms. Granholm, I am REALLY concerned about the amount of scandal that will come from me giving you Holy Communion, I am asking you not to put me in that position'. And having that be a pastoral discussion between the anti-Catholic, Catholic politician and the pastor/shepherd of their diocese. I think blanket statements about say, pro-choice candidates receiving is a bad idear!Mary Wilkersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08895931413075965922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7902332526058821592.post-24662818080222429792013-04-10T07:13:56.535-07:002013-04-10T07:13:56.535-07:00I totally agree. Once we give "power" to...I totally agree. Once we give "power" to Eucharistic ministers to "approve or deny" recipients we are asking for the devil to come in and make everyone a Pharisee. Not good. <br /><br />I do, however, think it's okay to let a public official who is publicly supporting anti-Catholic teaching that they will not be receiving the Eucharist because of the scandal it can give. I'm not saying that the Bishops should announce it on the church steps, or even that the lay ministers refuse them. But I'm okay with a bishop or priest protecting the sacrament that way. Though, I wouldn't out and out advocate for them to do that as I am not in a position of authority to do so.Barbara Frymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14314675308924356976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7902332526058821592.post-11589810548750085172013-04-10T06:33:00.190-07:002013-04-10T06:33:00.190-07:00Yeah, I am still not a fan of denying communion. I...Yeah, I am still not a fan of denying communion. I know it is controversial in orthodox circles to think that way. The thing is, if lets say a Kennedy walked up, with a shirt that said, 'I am pro-choice and don't care what the Church thinks'...then, I think you could deny it. But, I just think making the presumption about the state of person's soul when approaching the altar (even a public figure) is a REALLY bad idea. I acknowledge that there are a lot of really smart Bishops and Cardinals that disagree with me ;) And a few that agree with me. I just think judging the personal intent of anyone, including public figures, is crossing a line. Mary Wilkersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08895931413075965922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7902332526058821592.post-28817413530022589202013-04-10T06:23:32.175-07:002013-04-10T06:23:32.175-07:00How do you feel about those who hold public office...How do you feel about those who hold public office and vote in favor of laws that are against Catholic teaching and then try to receive communion? Around here, we have the Kennedy family and they have been known to support pro-choice legislature and then walk up and receive Jesus as if they are in full communion with the Church's teachings. I can see your point when it comes to a person who is not in the public light, but we are judged by our actions and if a politician is publically acting one way (through voting), then I think it's safe to assume that those are their personal views as well. I always think the Priest should ask a public person who's intent they question to come back after Mass to discuss and (if possible) receive. Colleenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11451797365712728579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7902332526058821592.post-44994828508992183372013-04-10T06:02:03.028-07:002013-04-10T06:02:03.028-07:00Love love love!! I was so irritated by the media c...Love love love!! I was so irritated by the media coverage. I again have to be gentle in how I approach it given our family issues. My question to people who viciously oppose and actively work against what the church teaches is why DO you want to take communion? You aren't in communion. Then again, that's true for all of us when we are in a state of sin. That's another topic for another day. :) RMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07372999417267102123noreply@blogger.com